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A confused redditor belittled by MAGA

People at patriots.win reply to this post from Reddit

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The courts are impotent and their judgements are ignored. Five million people turned out for the “no Kings” protest. It didn't make any impact whatsoever. Even the media didn't cover it much. This regime doesn't are about us citizens or what we want. Five million, ten million people in the streets won't make a difference either. The only thing they understand is money. We have to shut the entire country down, as someone suggested. Not boycotts, not buy nothing days. Shut it down. Everyone calls in sick. Work at home has computers malfunction. Truckers abandon their trucks. Not watching the news so ratings drop. Government workers stage a sick out (they are going to fire them anyway). Immigrants and farm workers stay home. Grind the country to a halt. The Marines and NG would be useless. They can't arrest us all.Then everyone takes to the street. Look what happened to Musk. His businesses were tanking so he got out and now is a Trumpmenomics critic. Time for the gloves to come off. Because you know what the next step is going to have to be

Some of the points made in the OP:

  1. The courts are impotent and their judgements are ignored
  2. Five million people turned out for the “no Kings” protest.
  3. It didn’t make any impact whatsoever.
  4. Even the media didn’t cover it much.
  5. This regime doesn't are about us citizens or what we want.
  6. We have to shut the entire country down

Let first expose my initial bias by replying first.

  1. SCOTUS currently has a conservative majority that has shown support for some of Trump’s positions, but it remains unclear to what extent the Court is willing to subordinate the judiciary to the executive branch.
  2. For the US that’s a lot, but it falls short of the kinds of protests that can bring about change. See the 3.5% rule.
  3. See 2.
  4. Most of the media want to make money, don’t care much about anything else, no surprise there.
  5. That’s a no-brainer. Easy target this post? Of course Trump doesn’t care about people that didn’t vote for him. He even punishes whole blue states for having voted against him.
  6. Not necessarily. See the 3.5% rule.

we just need to get all those maga supporting people who run the economy to stop going to work!

icuNurse suggests that the economy is mostly run by people who support MAGA, a suggestion that was approved of 139 times. This assumption is clearly the result of us versus them group think. Even though the US is exactly split 50/50 in their culture war, icuNurse thinks that only MAGA supporters significantly contribute to the economy (note that not everybody that voted Republican is MAGA either) and the other half of the US do not significantly support the economy.

When looking at income distribution, there is an almost even divide between Harris and Trump voters. That in itself should be sufficient to dispute this claim. source

However, since this is about emotions, icuNurse would be likely to respond with something like, MAGA voters have real jobs, liberals have bull shit jobs that we can do without.

How about doctors? Do they have bull shit jobs? About 65% of doctors support Democrats since 2016. source

Again, this is about emotions, therefore icuNurse can reply with: I don’t trust doctors, they’re all on the payroll of Big Farma.

icuNurse reply is an appeal to emotion. How do you feel about us versus them? icuNurse reply is liked by people who have strong feelings about judging their own group as better than the other, regardless of the facts.

Let’s assume 5 million turned out for their fake problem day.That’s less than 2% of the population. And they want the 80+ million Trump voters to change course? Idiots don’t understand math.

(5 / 340.0) = 0.0147058823529, less than 1.5% of the population.

There is the 3.5% rule, made famous by Erica Chenoweth, which claims that persistent nonviolent movements that actively engage at least 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about serious political change. source

Less than 1.5% is far below 3.5%. Also, it should be persistent protest, not a one time thing. If the 3.5% rule applies, than the protests in their current form are not likely to bring about change. So, War_Hamster is right to conclude that the OP is confused, but not for the reason that War_Hamster claims. Protesters are always a minority of people. Whether their ideas are shared by a majority of non-protesters is an entirely different question.

They still piss their adult diapers over the guided tour of 1/6. They are beyond pussies

ShekelJa responds to the perceived tone of the comment (desperation?) by referring to the storming of the Capitol, January 6 2021, that was intended to disrupt the certification the Electoral College results. ShekelJa claims it was comparable to a “guided tour” and that there is therefore no need for anyone to be upset about that event, and if you are then you are worse than a coward or a weakling.

Portraying this event as a “guided tour” is sarcasm. While it’s clear that ShekelJa wants to belittle what happened on January 6 it’s not clear from this reply what ShekelJa thinks actually happened.

What factually happened on January 6 2021 has become part of the culture war in the US. This means that what one side accepts as facts about the matter are lies according the opposing side. However, the MAGA view on this matter requires there to be a huge conspiracy. For outside observes the number of conspiracies that MAGA supporters adhere to is simply unbelievable.

ShekelJa’s main point is asserting that people like the OP are cowards and weaklings that are upset about nothing. An example of that is 1/6. Perhaps with the implication that what Trump is doing now is equally nothing to worry about? This would ignore the fact that the others have different values, but if asked ShekelJa would probably agree with that, and assert that others have wrong values that deserve no respect. This is part of us versus them divide and the culture war. If you have different values, I don’t respect you, regardless.

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